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never have been in circulation. the federal government has already reached the debt ceiling of nearly $16.4 trillion. >>> and a dangerous find in new york's central park. conservancy workers were cleaning an 18th-century cannon when it was realized it was fully loaded and ready to fire full of gunpower and a cannon ball. a bomb squad was called in to remove the explosives. >>> i'll be back in one hour and i'll show you the apps that can help you track the deadly flu outbreak. where you live. and locate a doctor who can treat you if you get sick. but first, ali velshi explains why we still don't have a budget and how our elected officials have bungled a basic business process that most of us handle with ease, it's a must-see "your money" starts right now. >>> america's road to economic recovery is wide open. it's right there in front of us. if our elected officials don't put some major road blocks in the way. i'm ali velshi, this is your money. debt ceilings, budgets and debt ceilings are all you're going to here coming out of washington the next few months and the partisan warfare in
in your way. i'm ali velshi. debt ceilings, budgets and spending cuts are all you'll hear coming out of washington for the next few months. the partisan warfare in washington could put a dent in any recovery. the threat is real. the next battle will be another clash over raising the u.s. debt ceiling. the current ceiling was officially hit on december 31st, but like last time the u.s. treasury is using extraordinary measures to get through about late february or early march. if congress doesn't act by then, the government risks not being able to pay some of its bills. republicans seem to think the debt ceiling is a useful tool to limit how much the government spends, but that is not what the debt ceiling law is supposed to do. it gives the u.s. treasury the flexibility to borrow money to pay the government's bills without going to congress to get approval every single time. it has nothing to do with spe spending or debt control. you might want it to be about spending control like i'd like to be in "people's" list of 50 most beautiful people. wishful thinking doesn't make it happen. t
for coming in. >> thanks for having me. >> raising the debt ceiling is non-negotiable. how is that going to go over with republicans? >> this is very much the first opening for ray on both sides. the president is non-negotiable, he wants to raise the debt ceiling. you have conservatives in congress saying we're not afraid to let the government shut down. they're starting on the opposite sides of the court and they'll move towards the center, if there's a deal. >> the president says he's willing to talk about more spending cuts as we discussed. not only the debt ceiling but also the sequestration, which is still on the table. that was pushed two months down the road and has to be dealt with but the president says he's not going to talk about that without discussions on more revenue, perhaps more tax hikes. is that on top of the ones with the fiscal cliff deal? >> when you borrow money and raise offsets. the president made it clear he wants that to come from revenue. the next thing they need to look at is spending cuts and congress is going to push for that. especially given the president
that lower the avalanche of spending. >> raising the debt ceiling and raising objections over former republican senator chuck hagel. the president's expected choice for defense secretary. our conversation with senators dick durbin and lindsey graham. then, learning the ropes with two freshmen, democratic senator democrat heidi heitkamp and republican senator richard hudson and plus can either party compromise and keep hard core supporters on board, neera tannen, stephen moore of the "wall street journal" and jackie calmes of the "new york times" and our own dana bash. you knows what happens when sis fuss rolls that boulder to the top of the hill, it rolls back down, a piece of greek mythology that brings to us the reality of the u.s. congress. it got a deal that raises taxes on the upper brackets and prevents for now huge spending cuts. it's moved on to the issue of avoiding a u.s. default. >> the president needs to show up early this time. >> republicans say they are done raising taxes. they want the president to agree to spending cuts in exchange for raising the amount of money the
for a full-blown fight over the debt ceiling in his first month on the job? pocket change. you heard about this idea. the trillion dollar coin to handle the debt ceiling. well, today we will tell you where it all started and whether or not it is really something president obama might use. they won't rule it out important some reason. and back to the future. the gun debate of 1994 had many lessons for the fight unfolding today. what can president obama learn from president clinton's success? good morning from washington. thursday, january 10, 2013. this is "the daily run-down." i'm chuck todd. let's get to my first read of the morning. this afternoon president obama will formally name his chief of staff, jack lew, to replace treasury secretary tim geithner. a sign the white house expects a big fight over the federal budget lew is the safe pick. he has been confirmed twice by the senate before. just in this administration. if confirmed in time, he can face his first test next month over the debt ceiling. lew is a walk among walks. described in one profile by the huffington post. quote, as ha
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to raise the country's debt ceiling. shortly after lawmakers reached a down to the wire deal on taxes to pull the country back from the fiscal cliff earlier this week, the president tried to preempt the debt limit showdown by firing a warning shot at republicans. he reiterated that call yesterday. >> one thing i will not compromise over is whether congress should pay the tab for a bill already racked up. the congress refuses to give the united states the ability to pay its bills on time, the results for the global economy could be catastrophic. >> congress has vowed to use the upcoming votes to get more spending cuts to entitlement programs like medicare. some are threatening a government shutdown. in a moment, we'll talk to alan simpson and erskine bowles about where they see the fiscal cliff deal leaving the country. they say it falls short. but first, the man who brokered the deal with the white house on behalf of the republicans and no doubt will be a key figure in the battles ahead, the top republican in the senate, mitch mcconnell. he joins me now. leader mcconnell, happy new ye
, i'll explain more about why the republican threats to breach the debt ceiling is very scary, it will be about life after default. what are you doing? nothing. are you stealing our daughter's school supplies and taking them to work? no, i was just looking for my stapler and my... this thing. i save money by using fedex ground and buy my own supplies. that's a great idea. i'm going to go... we got clients in today. [ male announcer ] save on ground shipping at fedex office. fourneau. >>> is the biggest national security threat facing the pentagon actually out of control spending? up next, why cutting the defense budget is job number one for the defense secretary, barney frank will be our next guest. >>> and later, the drama sounding the so-called trillion dollar coin. ♪ ♪ ♪ we're lucky, it's not every day you find a companion as loyal as a subaru. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. >>> the controversy over chuck hagel has been all about high-level strategy. our relationship with israel, our negotiations with iran, whether we should have gone into iraq at all. and
. >> arthel: a new battle over the separation of powers playing out over the debt ceiling. four leading democrats urging president obama to consider doing an end run around congress by raising the nation's borrowing limit without congressional approval. does the president have this authority? what could democrats think if the party dynamics were reversed? bringing in our political panel, mercedes, former spokesperson for president george w. bush, and richard goodstein, the democratic political consultant and former advisor to hillary clinton for president in 2008. good to see both of you. >> thank you. >> arthel: mercedes, you first. should president obama invoke the 14th amendment protection and bypass congress and do you think raising the debt ceiling is good or bad for the good of the country and tell me why? >> it would be unwise for president obama to basically bypass congress. as we know in the constitution, it clearly states that congress has the power of the purse. so it is their responsibility to deal with the debt ceiling. if we give the president this raw power grab, i think
the sequester or the debt ceiling or the operation of government to try to engage the president to deal with this. but -- >> but you said that was a strategy, that's what you learned. i want to come back to the question. it's a hostage that's worth ransoming, the debt ceiling of the united states government. is that the strategy that you would ransom that here again to force the kind of spending cuts that you think are necessary? >> it's a shame that we have to use whatever leverage we have in congress to get the president to deal with the biggest problem confronting our future. and that's our excessive spending. >> but you're conceding that that may be the strategy this time? >> well, what the strategy ought to be is we ought to be doing something about the problem. >> well, i understand that. but there are additional problems as well that flow from that. as you know, after the debt ceiling was resolved in the summer of 2011, america's credit rating was downgraded. john ingler was the republican governor of michigan and said the following. he said this is to bloomberg news. it's a terr
fight over the debt ceiling? >> well, first, these last-minute deals are no way to run the government. i can tell you that. we know what the problem is. you're going to have al simpson and erskine bowles on. they have talked about this for a couple of years now. we have a spending problem. you know, we have a debt the size of our economy, which makes us look a lot like greece. this administration has driven spending as a percentage of our economy from 21% up to almost 25%. we've resolved the tax issue now. it's over. it's behind us. we were able to get permanent tax relief for 99% of american taxpayers. and for 500,000 small businesses. so that's behind us. what's left to be dealt with is the spending. and it's a shame that the president doesn't embrace the effort to reduce spending. none of us like using these situations like the sequester or the debt ceiling or the operation of government to try to engage the president to deal with this. but -- >> but you said that was a strategy, that's what you learned. i want to come back to the question. it's a hostage that's worth ransoming, the d
into the debt ceiling limit and whether you go past it. here is what the president said about that on tuesday. let's list. >> if congress refuses to give the united states government the ability to pay these bills on time, the consequences for the entire global economy would be catastrophic. far worse than the impact of a fiscal cliff. >> congressman jordan back in 2011 when we had the debate you advocated going past the debt ceiling deadline saying it wouldn't be such a bad thing. would you advocate that again this year? >> i advocated a solution and not a deal. it is no wonder the president doesn't want to debate this. if i had prosided over the four annual highest deficits in american history, $5 trillion increase in the national debt i probably wouldn't want to talk about the issue either. let's look at the facts. since the debt ceiling agreement passed 16 months ago the day after it passed we got a downgrade from s&p. a week after the market dropped 1300 points. the supercommittee which chris and so many members voted for fell apart like we all thought it would and the only scheduled cut
was tough stay tuned for bruising round twompt from automatic spending cuts to raising the debt ceiling and paying for uncle sam to at a open, the battle battle lines are how will that fight play out. we'll ask two key congressman. van hollen and jim jordan. he's's new man in town with a message that champions opportunities. will the party establishment listen. we'll get a fresh perspective from senator ted cruz. from spending to immigration and gun control debate, will the new congress get past the toxic partis an shepto get things done for voters. we'll ask the sunday panel to read the political teleaves all right now on "fox news sunday". hello again from fox news in washington. after side stepping the fiscal cliff, the country faces a triple threat of greater scale . at stake government spending cuts and full faith and credit of the united states. with bruises fresh from the last dust up early jabs are already flying. joining is democratic chris van hollen and republican jim jordan. senate minority leader said the revenue piece is done. the president wants more tax he needs to limit
. >>> the white house must first deal with the spending and the looming debt ceiling and if congress refuses to raise the debt ceiling coming up, the u.s. go in default. that could trigger a worse economy reaction than we feared in the fiscal cliff situation. we have the latest. if republicans refuse to raise the debt ceiling there's the possibility that the president can work around the congress, but it's likely. >> there are a couple of possibilities that are being floated around, thomas. one is that the white house could use the 14th amendment, that would allow the president to increase the debt ceiling without congress' approval, and it says validity of the public debt of the united states shall not be questioned. some democrats wrote a letter to the white house on friday saying it gives the president the authority to increase the debt ceiling unilaterally, and another option that is floated is to essentially mint a platinum coin worth a trillion dollars. this is a idea that dates back to a 1997 appropriations bill that deals with the issue. the white house saying they do not believe tha
. the president says he isn't going to have a debate with us over the debt ceiling. he also says he's not going to cut spending with along with the debt limit hike. citing a poll by david winston says that any increase in the nation's debt limit must be accompanied by spending cuts. texas senator john correspond anyo cornyn threatened a partial government shutdown. the coming deadlines will be the next flash points in our ongoing fight to bring fiscal sanity to washington. it may be necessary to shut down the government in order to secure the long-term fiscal well-being of our country, rather than plod along the path of greece, italy and spain. president obama needs to take note and put forth a plan immediately. and pat tume voiced the same sentiment in week earlier on "morning joe." >> our opportunity is on the debt ceiling. the president made it very clear. he doesn't want to have a discussion about it, because he knows this is where we have lev range. we republicans need to tolerate a temporary partial government shutdown which is what it could mean and insist we will get off the road to gre
unprecedented. there's no change in sight. this is the debt ceiling debate of july and august 2011 which was supposed to come to grips with spending and our debt. it was punted off until this january. what came out was another probably as a result of the next one. we will come out with everything deferred. we are not facing the problem. ultimately, it will destroy our economy. >> i disagree with both nina and charles. it was postponed. it was avoided. that's a good thing. yes, the candid get kicked down the road. they had to because of the sequestration that will be taking place. what was achieved is that the president the achieved his goal of increasing the tax rate on the wealthy. that was important. the loser clearly being speaker boehner. yet a bad beginning of the year. >> the voters send them across the washingtons and make sure that they get every benefit that the government has available to them. they some republicans to washington to make sure that they will not have to pay. both parties keeping promises. they will much such a single gray hair on that beautiful hair of social se
shut downs and debt ceilings. vice president sebiden is meeti with the nra and senator feinstein wants to ban handguns the kudlow report begins right now. >> cnbc contributor jared bernstein. i can't think of a single reason why they have to put in such an unstring wi undistinguished person in such an important spot. >> i take issue with that. you have to take into consideration issues, but i will say when it comes to one of the most important jobs of the treasury secretary, which is managing the budget, you can't have a better guy than jack lu. you can talk a lot about it. >> that is where i disagree. this is not, hang on a second. i'm going to give jimmy a whack at this. this is not the director of the office of managing the budget. that is where i used to work. this is about financial matters. this is about guys who know what goes on at the world's financial capitol. this is about guys who used to look after the currency and about guys who are going to have to deal with republicans over the debt ceiling and according to every leader that i have talked to, he is poison to republicans
, debt ceiling cliff. your elected officials ready to push america over the edge of the cliff. >> i will not have another debate with this congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that they've already racked up through the laws that they passed. >> well, yes, you will, mr. president, and very soon. democrats and republicans are set to clash again over raising the u.s. debt ceiling. back in the old days, the u.s. had a snl where every time a bill involving money was passed, the treasury had to raise money for by issuing bonds. the debt ceiling law was given the u.s. treasury the flexibility to borrow money. it had nothing to do with spending control or debt control. it was a technicality. most functioning countries don't have any such thing because they understand that if the government spends the money. it has to pay the bills. republicans seem to think that the debt sealing is a good tool to limit how much the government spends, the current debt ceiling was hit on december 31st, but like last time, the u.s. treasury is using extraordinary measures to ghet get it throu
'm going to tell you why i think a debt ceiling and government shutdown, bad idea. i'm going to show you a better way. the "kudlow report" begins right now. . >>> first up, amid allegations of anti-semitism and antiisrael sentiments, president obama nonetheless nominated former republican senator chuck hagel for the position of secretary of defense. that today, also reportedly soft on iranian sanctions. so is there any truth to these charges? here to discuss eliot abrams, a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations. eliot, happy new year and as always, welcome back. are these charges -- is there merit to these charges? first of all, anti-semitism. >> look, i can't read his mind. i can only go by the public record. the public record suggests he's got a problem with jews, frankly. there's reports from the members of the tiny nebraska jewish community that they never had a politician in nebraska who was so indifferent, their word, indifferent to the community. who took no interest, who was completely nonresponsive to any requests they made. there's a beginning. then you have these q
the authority to raise the debt ceiling without congress? will he tried to? our handwriting expert is digitalis about the most talked-about signature. will it end up on our dollar bill? can you read that? >> from that fox business studios in new york city, it's "the willis report" with gerri willis ♪ gerri: as the debt ceiling showdown, members of the financial services round table now headed by former gop presidential candidate temple in tay are urging congress to raise the debt ceiling. failure to do so will cause a wire. will republicans caved? always great to have you on this show. what do you make of this? these and other business leaders of this country who are saying, you have to raise that debt ceiling. >> a little hypocritical. these business leaders of the same ones to say we have to do something about our enormous debt, and what will cause a wire to our nation's finances continuing to go around borrowing a trillion dollars year after year after year. the phony issue, people are saying if we don't pass the debt ceiling it's a default. that is off the table. the constitution prevents
yesterday. >>> to our top story a debt ceiling disaster could be coming sooner than expected. a new report by the bipartisan policy center says without congressional action the u.s. will smash into its borrowing limit as early as mid-february. are we doomed to default or will lawmakers be able to get the ball rolling and solve this crisis? i don't know. we have a money power panel to help us sort it all out. the former tennessee governor, phil bredesen, from the fix the debt committee. douglas holtz-eakin formerly of the cbo and evan bayh, former senator and fox news contributor. wow what a power panel. i hardly know where to start. phil, you think it is appalling we gotten this far. why? >> i just think play games, the political games with the faith and credit of the united states is a crazy position to be in. like playing with fireworks and playing with matches in a fireworks factory or something. i understand the need to deal with entitlements and to reduce costs on that but there are other ways of doing that. there is the whole sequester thing coming up down the road. i just think it i
with a conversation about politics and economics and debt ceilings and fiscal cliffs and sequestration with david leonhardt of the "new york times" and austan goolsbee, former chairman of the president's council of economic advisors. >> there's much less of a sense in obama that he can get the grand bargain. although he's still trying. he and boehner both are. i think he's much more cynical about what republicans will agree to and i think he's come to think that many of them won't do anything with him. >> rose: national security, politics, and the economy when we continue. captioning sponsored by rose communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. poop announced his picks for two of the most important national security positions earlier today. for secretary of defense he nominated former republican senator chuck hagel. he chose counterterrorism advisor john brennan to head the c.i.a.. >> chuck hagel is the leader that our troops deserve. he is an american patriot, he enlisted in the army and volunteered for vietnam. as the young private and then sergeant he served with ho
democratic leaders insist revenues will be needed. the deal also did not tackle the impending debt ceiling, a debate that will likely consume congress in the months ahead. joining me from washington, david leonhardt, he is the washington bureau chief of the "new york times." from chicago, austan goolsbee, a professor at the university of chicago booth school of business and previously chairman of the president's council of economic advisors. i'm pleased to have both of them back on this program. david, let me begin with you and tell me exactly where you think we are having that january 1 up to the last minute deal. what is the order of business for the executive branch and the legislative branch to do something to develop some sense of predictability and certainty and a road map for the future. >> well, we just missed a pretty substantial opportunity thief happen because i think the bigger deals that were on the table that president obama and speaker boehner were talking about would have removed some of these up coming deadlines, like the debt ceiling. and they didn't get one of those bigg
no compromise on the debt ceiling. where is this all headed? >> round two of this new year, basically the same fiscal kind of fight. the republicans, which some people say the republicans lost this first round by allowing the tax rates to go up for the first time in a couple of decades on the wealthier americans. they're saying, look, this is our chance to sort of gain back some of what we might have lost and really make an impact on the spending cuts. they're saying we want to hold the president to the lineup as we go towards this debt ceiling. if the president wants to raise the debt ceiling, we want an equal dollar per dollar spending cut if we want to raise the debt ceiling. within the two months, if you see a fight over the debt ceiling and sequester, these automated spending cuts, they're mandatory right now. republicans are really going to hold the line. now it's going to be a question of who is willing to blink first or who doesn't want to blink first. i think it's going to go down to the wire, just like this last one did. >> rachel, a lot of what i talked about this weekend with democ
to a big start by taking the week off. >> not just the debt ceiling, but there is also the sequester. >> republicans are not going to play ball in the sequester. >> this is packed with responsibility. >> republicans are saying they have leverage. >> we have to use whatever leverage we have. >> what happens to the leverage? >> actually, misunderstanding the situation. >> a different set of nuts. >> i'll go back to my original question. >> i know what your question is. >> how far are you willing to take this strategy. >> would you rule out a government shutdown? >> i helped close the government twice. i think that is a dead loser. >> hopefully we don't get to that point. >> a place for politics. >> well, i got 98% of what i wanted. i'm pretty happy. >> the republican party losing streak continued today as a new poll shows that republicans also lost in the public perception of the fiscal cliff negotiations. "the was post" shows that 30% approve the way house speaker john boehner handled fiscal cliff negotiations, 56% don't approve, 53% approve the way president obama handled negotiation
way to avoid the debt ceiling. hear what senate democrats are telling the president to do today. >>> fighting the flu. the illness has now reached epidemic levels in the u.s. is it slowing down? >>> signature moment. how comics are taking on jacob lew's unique, to say the least, scrawl of his name. good morning, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." what's happening out there. after meeting with the president of afghanistan, president obama sharing new details this morning on how he plans to end the u.s. involvement there. >> this remains a very difficult mission, the work ahead will not be easy. our forces are still in harm's way. but make no mistake, our path is clear, and we are moving forward. because after a decade of war, the nation we need to rebuild is our own. >> kristen welker is at the white house. a very good start morning to you. let's talk about the details that the president revealed about the future role of the u.s. in afghanistan. >> good morning to you, alex. the big headline that came out of the joint news conference between president obama and hamid
. with the fiscal cliff in the rear view mirror, raising the debt ceiling is washington's next big drama. we look at why its so important. >> susie: i'm susie gharib. that drama, could have a new cast member, we're learning the president will nominate jacob lew as his next treasury secretary. >> tom: and with its reputation already on the ropes, a.i.g., the big bailed-out insurer, decides against suing uncle sam. >> susie: that and more tonight on "n.b.r."! >> tom: there could soon be a new signature on the dollar bill, jacob "jack" lew is said to be the president's pick to replace treasury secretary timothy geithner. that nomination is expected tomorrow. should he be confirmed by the senate, one of lew's first challenges will be dealing with the rapidly approaching debt ceiling. darren gersh reports. >> reporter: assuming he wins senate confirmation, jacob "jack" lew will take over a treasury that is rapidly running out of cash. the federal government has already hit the debt ceiling. and the only way the government can pay its bills is by using accounting gimmicks to move money around. those tr
. the debt ceiling and this week people are getting paychecks for the first time. >> people will be surprised the president said if you make less than $250,000 you will not pay one dime. they are paying a lot of times. making $50,000 will be on the hook of additional $1,600. you don't have that to give the government so they can waste it to borrow more money. it will hit people hard. ha and then add the obamacare tax and the economy will be in a world of hurt. gerri: maybe there is a tax revolution. people may make calls to congress. o knows? >> i do think there will be a revolt from people who voted for obama that would only hit the nasty rich people. but it will hit them. in and they lose their jobs because the rich guy cannot keep people on the payroll is pay the government or keep the employee. he makes the decision about the employee but nothe taxes or he goes to jail. gerri: we had jobs numbers today. 155,000 jobs were created. that is so unimpressive. if we don't create 240,000 jobs we cannot keep up with the number being born and the workplace. so many people have quit looking and the
. this time over the nation's debt ceiling. >> fifthsyrian president bashar al-assad addressed his war-torn nation in a rare speech. he stood firm against global calls for him to step down. and proposed a peace process that would leave him in power. the obama administration quickly rejected it. more than 60-thousand people have reportedly been killed during a bloody civil war two years. searching for dozens of people who may be missing in wildfires in southeast tasmania. those wildfires have already destroyed more than a hundred homes. also been evacuated from the tasmania peninsula because the fires have blocked roads in and out of the rural communities. firefighters are having a tough time getting the flames under control because of the rough terrain. but they say they should gain the upper ground this week. >> president obama and the first family are back in washington tonight. after wrapping up their holiday vacation in hawaii. air force one touched down at joint base andrews in maryland earlier this morning. the president interrupted his vacation by flying back to washington to se
this over the budget. >> goodbye fiscal cliff hello debt ceiling. >> the fiscal cliff fight was ugly but will the debt ceiling struggle be eveninging uglier. >> hard to believe but this could get uglier. [ laughter ] the government is aetch perfecting the legal limit for how much kit borrow also known as the debt ceiling. republicans can demand that the president make spending cuts or we'll hit the debt ceiling and go through it. [ laughter ] or get crushed by it or you know what? we might have to make a skylight in it. sounds nice. it's pretty but they rarely get caulked properly and when it rains, it drips and ruins your sisal carpet. the republicans are clearly in a strong position but the president might have a trick up his sleeve. >> is there a magic bullet to solve the crisis? try a magic coin. some economists, legal scholars and a congressman are suggest a $1 trillion platinum coin could be minted and the government could use it to pay the debt, avoid default and preempt the debt ceiling crisis. >> stephen: we should have known that a coin was obama's solution to everything. i
and cut spending a lot of them thought that the debt ceiling should not be increased. basically they believe that their job is to obstruct barack obama and then once there is a republican president in place, to have a better business climate with more deregulation or the funding of programs that have never quite been near and dear to them. yes, i think they do believe that. flashing forward a little bit, we have that fiasco of 2011. when we were taken to the brink of a fiscal cliff what we were about to see again, the thinking on the part of the house republicans leadership was maybe our tea party question will realize that compromise is not such a bad thing. the opposite occurred. they went home and the people tend to be the activists of their party and those people tend to be the tea party and they were the ones screaming and asking why did you accept a deal? there have been mixed messages and it is likely that we will see mixed signals from these people. >> the mixed freshmen are members of congress and they think the way, if only we could control them. it indicates that the
's white house briefing with chick party who talked about the debt ceiling. he did not confirm news reports nomination for treasury secretary. earlier today from the white house. >> good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. thank you for being here. i have an important personnel announcement to make. i am kidding. i will go to the ap. >> it has been widely reported that jack lew was the president's choice for commerce secretary. -- treasury secretary. [inaudible] >> let me say two things. i do not make cabinet level presences. the president does. i will not get ahead of the president. when he is ready to make an announcement about his next treasury secretary, he will make an announcement. secondly i would say jack lew has been and continues to be an extremely valuable adviser to the president. over the quarter of a century he has been an integral part of some of the most important budgetary, financial and fiscal agreements in washington. he was there when social security was reformed, he was there when tax reform passed at the table. in the 1980's. he was the cabinet level director of omb for p
deal. now we are preparing for the debt ceiling. do you expect the same contentiousness and loggerheads? >> i think it will be contentious. it should be. we continue to borrow and spend. we don't cut. we are headed down the road to financial destruction, as everybody knows. we do need to pay our debts, but we don't need to keep incurring that debt. that's the argument we should make. we have to come to financial sanity and we are not there yet. i believe at theep of the day, if the president will get involved -- if he will get involved, we could do some good things, but we have to cut spending, we have some type of a grand bargain? i don't know. but we are in better shape than we were on the tax stuff. >> you said you would like to see the president get involved. let's listen to your boss talk about that? >> the single biggest threat to america's future and that's our excessive spending. i would like for the president to lead. it is a shame that we have to drag him to the table. >> and also, the president recently remarked that he does not want to get into a fight over the debt ceiling.
, busting through the debt ceiling would be time. it is time to admit that america is a bit of a ludicrous banana republic. this is really bad options of managing our affairs. that is a grim conclusion, by the way, that means bond prices will go up, not as much as in default. but it is a grim conclusion that fits the evidence. of course, there is another option, republicans could just do what the congress of the united states is supposed to do. they could pay the bills it has racked up. and if it wants to pay fewer bills in the future and spend less money it can cut spending or raise taxes, which it writes the next budget. you know, the time you're supposed to do that. you know the way we have been doing it of the nation's history before john boehner and the republicans took over the house, during the entire rest of the nation's history when we never came close to purposely faulting on our deletes when we weren't a ludicrous banana republic? the last word for tonight. the ed show is up next. >> good evening and welcome to new york. the republicans are whining about the president's choice f
will come in that day. $52 billion in bills come due. if congress doesn't raise the debt ceiling, congress has to decide which of these bills to pay. interest on the debt we already owe, that's $30 billion. irs refunds, about $7 billion. federal salaries, difficult tut military paychecks, medicare, medicaid bills, defense vendors need to be paid. unemployment checks need to get cut. food stamp debit cards need to be refilled. deficit piles up into national debt. i'm joined by senior political columnist of the daily beast and mayaguinness. maya, should the debt ceiling be the place to argue about spending cuts? >> in the past, the debt controlling has been used responsibly, to help us push for making changes to the budget when we're on an unsustainable course. can you kind of think of it as a speed bump. we would hit the debt ceiling, be reminded we're borrowing too much. they would fight about raising it and then they would raise it. what happened last time, i think, was throwing cold water on to the system of how close we got to truly defaulting and the fact that that will lead to economi
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